Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

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Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:02

As explained here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcFH-0srAM


after twenty days of laborious discussion (and after I asked Bruce Fowler's mail), Hans finally contacted him.

Here is the best of his quotes (I didn't want to share that, but the situation doesn't leave me the choice) :

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Is there anyone here who can explain to me how one can expect an objective response with that kind of emotional manipulation ?

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by DarkestShadow » Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:06

Did he write every single word like this or is it a "this is what it meant" showcase?

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:23

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Does that answer your question ?

Everything about the points comes from me.

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by DarkestShadow » Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:44

Headshot wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:23
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Does that answer your question ?

Everything about the points comes from me.
Oh no man, really...? It's worse than I realized then... :I :I
My feelings got hurt - (Don't hurt me even more.)

Ou, ou - quick someone one give me a way to minimize or refute all this stuff!

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:52

DarkestShadow wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:44
Oh no man, really...? It's worse than I realized then... :I :I

Yes it's sad...but I had already exposed this joke in this video (at 4.24) because I knew that Bruce Fowler's statement would be used to support the falsehood :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcFH-0srAM
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Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:44
quick someone one give me a way to minimize or refute all this stuff!
Sorry

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by DarkestShadow » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:11

Headshot wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:52
DarkestShadow wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:44
Oh no man, really...? It's worse than I realized then... :I :I

Yes it's sad...but I had already exposed this joke in this video (at 4.24) because I knew that Bruce Fowler's statement would be used to support the falsehood :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcFH-0srAM
DarkestShadow wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 18:44
quick someone one give me a way to minimize or refute all this stuff!
Sorry
How did the mail even see the light of the day...?

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:14

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by DarkestShadow » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:22

I wonder how the exact text of the mail even came out...?

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:29

Hans forwarded me the messages.
I don't like to share that publicly but they don't leave me any other choice.

I'm really fed up with their will to feed this falsehood.

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Raph » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:35

You wouldn't want to hurt their feelings.

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:44

Today, I don't care about their feelings, they don't deserve my consideration but I just don't like sharing private mail.
Everything could have been a lot simpler if there was some intellectual honesty on the other side...

So, I'm rather worried about my own feelings.

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by DarkestShadow » Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:47

Well then...

The sentence "my feelings got hurt" and "I was secretly proud of that piece" together made me dubious... It's quite amazing that you would inquire someone (worse - a friend of yours) for a honest answer and then tell them that the present issue hurts you... and also note that you are being targeted publicly.
That really makes it unlikely someone would just "embarrass" you publicly, hurt your feelings and disappoint you.

If there wouldn't be the statements by the other 2 orchestrators I would still go with this response... but the others were just achieved much more neutrally... and the may be boasting, but one of them talked about the work of many other orchestrators - weird for a boaster who would blatantly lie about work by HZ.
The amount of boasting would also be incredible, since they should not have had ANY orchestration work on Final Game if it was just Verbatim transcribed...
And it wasn't apparent that you would have had interest in hiring them...
They just overall have more gravitas... :(

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Re: Here is How Hans Presented This matter To Bruce

Post by Headshot » Fri 1 Jun 2018 20:12

DarkestShadow wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:47

If there wouldn't be the statements by the other 2 orchestrators I would still go with this response... but the others were just achieved much more neutrally... ..
That's the point.
DarkestShadow wrote:
Fri 1 Jun 2018 19:47
and the may be boasting, but one of them talked about the work of many other orchestrators - weird for a boaster who would blatantly lie about work by HZ.
Yes, the boasting argument does not hold up, that's really a ridiculous excuse ...

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Jazz voicings is not a random thing : it needs to be learned.

So there is no surprising information here.

Does it sound like someone who wanted to boast ? :

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No, this orchestrator was kind and humble and he gave me very detailed information.

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