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Re: Sankt Georg

Post by Kyle Judkins » Sat 30 Mar 2019 00:39

as far as the cartoon, short and sweet - although I could almost hear Jordan Peterson in the background with his Kermit voice narrating, comparing it to kids skateboarding - and mice.

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Re: Sankt Georg

Post by Headshot » Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:04

raphael.badawi wrote:
Fri 29 Mar 2019 05:48
No disagreement here since the study I quoted is statistical (i. e. it's a numerical account of female characters and lines since 1980), showing how strong women are underrepresented (five times less than strong men), how women have 30% of all dialogue lines, etc.
There is an overrepresentation of strong men because the entertainement industry is strongly related to the cult of physical strenght.

Therefore, this imbalance is easy to understand : there is a huge amount of action movies and when you want to make a cop, war, martial arts or adventure film for instance you will often choose a male as the main character/villain, not because you are sexist but because in the real life, men form the majority in these areas.
Indeed, men are generally physically stronger than women, that's a scientific fact.
That's why men are more efficient than women in sport for instance and that's why it's mainly the men who go to war and not some 45 kg teenage girls straight out of a fashion magazine.

Claiming the opposite in the name of equality is just a denial of truth.

Instead of highlighting female qualities/strengths, these moronic movie directors/producers don't find anything more subtle than depicting women as if they were as strong physically (if not stronger) than men through pathetic action scenes.

Thinking that to be considered strong, a woman must shine in the battlefield is for me the real sexism (and a misunderstanding of the notion of strenght), because it implies that women can only be strong imitating and matching men (in an area in which these latter are naturally and without any merit superior).

This limited way of thinking, this wrong way of portraying strong women just shows an overvaluation of physical strength which has in fact nothinig to do with the real strenght : strength of character and moral strenght.

For example, the real strength of Luke Skywalker, which makes him a strong character, is not the fact the he can defeat an army of stormtroopers, but his compassion and his will to save his father.

So, in short : the imbalance between men and women comes from our poor value system that has emphasized physical strength and made it a pillar of the entertainment industry (especially since the 80's : Chuck Norris, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steven Seagal, Jean Claude Van Damme etc.)

And now, in addition, this same poor value system wants us to believe that there is no difference between men and women...that a knight should no longer seek to save the princess because it would be sexist to consider she can't defend herself alone physically.


Of course, there are very strong women, stronger than many men, but we don't define a biological norm based on exceptions.
Men are by average stronger than women, which has led to their overrepresentation in a film industry made up of a substantial part of action movies (any kind of movie in which physical strength and violence have an important place : western, war, prison, sci-fi, fantasy, martial arts etc.)

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Re: Sankt Georg

Post by Strickland » Sat 30 Mar 2019 12:17

Headshot wrote:
Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:04

Instead of highlighting female qualities/strengths, these moronic movie directors/producers don't find anything more subtle than depicting women as if they were as strong physically (if not stronger) than men through pathetic action scenes.

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Re: Sankt Georg

Post by raphael.badawi » Sat 30 Mar 2019 13:06

Agreed on the biological differences (imagine a women union rugby team versus a man union rugby team, it would be a carnage ;-) ). But "strong" doesn't mean "physically" strong, as you point out with the Skywalker example.

My point is only relevant about fields where these biological differences are infinitesimal (like mathematics, or having something interesting to say). In those fields, the "stereotype threat" effect acts plainly. For scientific evidences of the "stereotype threat" (like a reviewable protocol and results reproduced by other teams of searchers), see Claude M. Steele, A Threat in the Air, 1997 ; see also the study by Huget and Régner in 2007 (you will find an account in french of their researches in the website of the Collège de France), see also this account by mathematiciens for the CIRM). It's not just mathematics. This effect may apply on very prosaic things like the Magic the Gathering card game.

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